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we saw the lloyd benson/dan quayle smack down but that's not the only moment we've seen in the vice presidential debates. >> it's not. if you look back at the history of these, they only started in 1976, you can see some of the object lessons for both of those candidates. let's talk about 1976 bob dole and walter mondale, the classic example neither side wants to commit, a self-inflicted error of a very large proportion. >> added up the killed and wounded, democrat wars in this century will be about 1.6 million americans enough to fill the city of detroit. >> senator dole has richly earned his reputation as a hatchet man by implying and stating that world war ii and the korean war were democratic wars. >> now for paul ryan, he's got to worry as a younger candidate against inadvertently walking into a buzz saw against a more experienced opponent the way dan quayle walked into this line from lloyd benson. take a listen. >> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did when he sought the presidency. i will be prepared to deal with the people in the bush administration if that unfort
we saw the lloyd benson/dan quayle smack down but that's not the only moment we've seen in the vice presidential debates. >> it's not. if you look back at the history of these, they only started in 1976, you can see some of the object lessons for both of those candidates. let's talk about 1976 bob dole and walter mondale, the classic example neither side wants to commit, a self-inflicted error of a very large proportion. >> added up the killed and wounded, democrat wars in this...
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one is lloyd benson against dan quayle and lloyd benson had one of the historic smackdowns of quail. but ryan has an entirely different political persona. he's very much a policy geek, he's very much on top of substance. and so i think that's not going to be easy for biden to do. one analog that might be useful is dick cheney and john edwards in 2004 when john kerry had built momentum against george w. bush and dick cheney sat down with john edwards and kind of portrayed him as a light weight who hasn't been around, who missed a lot of votes. cheney projected some sgchlt ravitas and did george bush a virs. and president obama is hoping joe biden can do that for him tonight. >> i was wondering if you're going to ask that question, are you ready if something god forbid were to happen, a heartbeat away, do you make that point with paul ryan when the republican caricature of biden keeps pointing that out? this guy is heartbeat away from the president? it depends which side of the aisle you're on as to who wins the argument. biden has been around a long time, but you don't need to be -- y
one is lloyd benson against dan quayle and lloyd benson had one of the historic smackdowns of quail. but ryan has an entirely different political persona. he's very much a policy geek, he's very much on top of substance. and so i think that's not going to be easy for biden to do. one analog that might be useful is dick cheney and john edwards in 2004 when john kerry had built momentum against george w. bush and dick cheney sat down with john edwards and kind of portrayed him as a light weight...
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we saw it with lloyd benson and dan quayle in 1988. it appeared that lloyd benson got the better of that, but of course george bush and dan quayle won the election. i talked to dan quayle yesterday -- or a few days ago, rather, he said he thinks he helped george h.w. bush in that race, even though he got smacked down with that "you're no jack kennedy" line, because he took the fight to michael dukakis and that's the bottom line that you hear from people who have been through these debates, is that the key for vice presidential candidates, guys, is for them to focus their fire not on the counter pa counterpart standing across the stage from them but rather, on the top of the other ticket. you can expect joe biden's going to be very aggressive in going after mitt romney, perhaps using paul ryan and his budget plan to do that. and paul ryan's going to return the favor and go after barack obama. it is going to be an interesting night here in danville, center college which has hosted these debates before. guys? >> john, we look forward to s
we saw it with lloyd benson and dan quayle in 1988. it appeared that lloyd benson got the better of that, but of course george bush and dan quayle won the election. i talked to dan quayle yesterday -- or a few days ago, rather, he said he thinks he helped george h.w. bush in that race, even though he got smacked down with that "you're no jack kennedy" line, because he took the fight to michael dukakis and that's the bottom line that you hear from people who have been through these...
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remember, lloyd benson in 1988 against dan quayle said that one line to dan quayle, i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. >> if you're obama, do you attack romney or do you advertise whatever you think your own virtue is? >> every poll that came up this morning, romney sup side down in favorables and that's a bad thing. you don't need to attack hilm. you attack congress for not passing the 28% corporate, and blah, blah, blah. you don't have to now. if romney goes after him, then you rebut that. but if i'm obama, i do not attack him. you're the president of the united states. you're cool, calm, and collected. >> when andrew asked that question -- i also saw it in "the new york times." the debate handler supposedly had to tell the president, please don't be too smart. you're a professor. don't just blow them away with your details, which you could. give me the substancetive argument for president obama on what he's rung on. all i know is he wants to raise taxes on rich people. other than that, what is his substance? >> are you better off than you were four years ago. >>
remember, lloyd benson in 1988 against dan quayle said that one line to dan quayle, i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. >> if you're obama, do you attack romney or do you advertise whatever you think your own virtue is? >> every poll that came up this morning, romney sup side down in favorables and that's a bad thing. you don't need to attack hilm. you attack congress for not passing the 28% corporate, and blah, blah, blah. you don't have to now. if romney goes...
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it was this moment in 1988 between the democrat lloyd benson and the republican vice presidential nominee dan quayle. take a listen. >> i have as much experience in the congress adds jack kennedy did when he sought the presidency. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> killer line. had no impact on the election. george h.w. bush one that election. when you have a strong performance by a strong candidate and a weak fumble by the other, its can make a difference. here's an example in 2000 when al gore decided he thought it was a good idea to get in the face of george w. bush while he was answering a question. watch this. >> the difference is that i can get it done. that i can get something positive done on behalf of the people. that's what the question in this campaign is about. it's not only what's your philosophy and position on issues. but can you get things done? i believe i can. >> there you had governor george w. bush making al gore look foolish. now, the second ranking all time memorable deba
it was this moment in 1988 between the democrat lloyd benson and the republican vice presidential nominee dan quayle. take a listen. >> i have as much experience in the congress adds jack kennedy did when he sought the presidency. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> killer line. had no impact on the election. george h.w. bush one that election. when you have a strong performance by...
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kennedy drew this blistering response from his opponent, lloyd benson. >> senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> the debate in 1992 was described as a free-for-all with dan quayle and al gore continually interrupting each other. >> in foreign countries -- >> just not -- >> foreign aid -- senator, it's in your book. >> vice president dick cheney and senator john edwards barely kept their debate civil in 2004, with cheney blasting edwards for his attendance record in congress. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> in thursday's debate, biden is expected to go after paul ryan on issues like medicaid, social security and foreign policy. >> i wouldn't be surprised if you got a zinger or two from joe biden. i don't think he's worried about being perceived as talking down to paul ryan. >> and the personal moments could matter, too. biden showed his emotional side during his last debate. >> look, i understand what it's like to be a single parent. when my wife and daughter died and my two sons were gravely injured, i understand what it's like as a parent to won
kennedy drew this blistering response from his opponent, lloyd benson. >> senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> the debate in 1992 was described as a free-for-all with dan quayle and al gore continually interrupting each other. >> in foreign countries -- >> just not -- >> foreign aid -- senator, it's in your book. >> vice president dick cheney and senator john edwards barely kept their debate civil in 2004, with cheney blasting edwards for his attendance...
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overshadowed, out-debated by the elder lloyd benson back in 1988. i remember it well. my first president's campaign. and yet george h.w. bush went on to win the election. not just win the election, but win 40 states. 40 of the 50 states, george h.w. bush won in 1988. if anyone tells you what they know is going to happen on november 6th, i'd roll your eyes. a lot to talk about. two passionate guys representing the two ends of america's political, ideological spectrum. however, romney and obama lead the ticket. that's who people vote for on election day. >> passion and zingers and sound bites aside, in a 24/7 news cycle and only a couple days away from a very important presidential debate. how much sticking power will tonight have? >> a great question. one of the thingses that happens out of debates. what moments get replayed and replayed and replayed, not only on television but bounced around the internet, facebook, twitter. one or two of those without a doubt. the vice president's candidates, you'll hear the word middle class a lot tonight. have vice president biden tr
overshadowed, out-debated by the elder lloyd benson back in 1988. i remember it well. my first president's campaign. and yet george h.w. bush went on to win the election. not just win the election, but win 40 states. 40 of the 50 states, george h.w. bush won in 1988. if anyone tells you what they know is going to happen on november 6th, i'd roll your eyes. a lot to talk about. two passionate guys representing the two ends of america's political, ideological spectrum. however, romney and obama...
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when the late lloyd benson who was as able of a politician as i ever have seen in my life, his candidate still lost. so they don't vote based on it, but it's a 90 minute chance to connect with voters. and nobody makes a case for the middle class like joe biden duds. i think the vice president has to be careful about that and correct those misstatements of fact. i think this is a great opportunity to make the case. >> let me read something you wrote, so you'll know exactly what i'm talking about. >> you're a well read woman. >> someone that you know pretty well, you said the deep personal connection she able to make with an audience, the ability to attack without demonizing, the capacity to explain the mobs complex ideas in plain talk, and treating people like intelligent adults capable of making the right decision after hearing all of the facts, that is a glowing endorsement, but you're not talking about president obama, you're talking about president clinton, what should president obama learn from president clinton here? >> i think a fair amount. he had a bad debate, but the president i
when the late lloyd benson who was as able of a politician as i ever have seen in my life, his candidate still lost. so they don't vote based on it, but it's a 90 minute chance to connect with voters. and nobody makes a case for the middle class like joe biden duds. i think the vice president has to be careful about that and correct those misstatements of fact. i think this is a great opportunity to make the case. >> let me read something you wrote, so you'll know exactly what i'm talking...
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it's bigger even than the one -- it's slightly bigger even than the one between lloyd benson and dan quail back in 1988. and it's more than twice the disparity between dick chaney and john edwards when they debated eight years ago. so, that's one of the things we should be looking for. interestingly, the surrogate that paul ryan chose was an older man. ted olson, the former solicitor general. so both of them chose people to practice against that had the same kind of age disparity that they'll face onstage tonight. >> we also looked at the numbers of debate viewership and the 2008 vice presidential debate got more viewers on television than any of the series of presidential debates. 70 million, the highest of the presidential was 63 million. but in most years the numbers are lower for the vice presidential debates than they are for the presidential one. how has social media and viewing on the internet and mobile devices changed the whole scenario -- poll scenario this time around? >> it's really made the -- you know, the social media has sped up everything, right? it sped up the news
it's bigger even than the one -- it's slightly bigger even than the one between lloyd benson and dan quail back in 1988. and it's more than twice the disparity between dick chaney and john edwards when they debated eight years ago. so, that's one of the things we should be looking for. interestingly, the surrogate that paul ryan chose was an older man. ted olson, the former solicitor general. so both of them chose people to practice against that had the same kind of age disparity that they'll...
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benson's charge that he was no jack kennedy. but the thing is, the thing is that its atmospherics. continuing the narrative, the pressures on joe biden to do something that causes people to not think about what happened in the last debate with the president. he's got to be able to get back on the offensive. he's probably been told a number of things that he's got to say. many of the things the president did not say, and hopefully, i think the obama campaign is looking for the needle to be bounced a little bit, even though there is no tradition that shows that the needle does gets bounced by vice presidential debates. >> there's a couple of months want to look at and get your reaction to. professor watson is joining us in florida. the first from the 2008 debate in which vincent joe biden and the vice president shall nominate with barack obama discussing the role of the vice president and also reference to then vice president dick cheney. >> governor can imagine a moment ago the competition might give the vice president more power
benson's charge that he was no jack kennedy. but the thing is, the thing is that its atmospherics. continuing the narrative, the pressures on joe biden to do something that causes people to not think about what happened in the last debate with the president. he's got to be able to get back on the offensive. he's probably been told a number of things that he's got to say. many of the things the president did not say, and hopefully, i think the obama campaign is looking for the needle to be...
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dick cheney over edwards, and lloyd benson over dan quayle. something about the vice presidential debate is a little better for the older guy. and i thought biden clearly had home court advantage. he was in command. had facts and stories. you want to talk about reagan and tip o'neill, i was there. >> bill: yeah, and he said martha, look i wanted to straighten you out too. i was in the oval office with the joint chiefs when they said this is what they wanted. i was there with the joint chiefs when they said that. >> absolutely. i this -- there were a couple of women i talked to last night who thought he was maybe a little rough with her at that moment. but he was commanded and authoritative, and it's hard to come back from that. if i don't know want to disagree with them, disagree with the joint chiefs of staff. >> bill: and as he said on more than one occasion facts matter. >> and we looked the camera in the eye and said who are you going to trust? >> bill: actually i think it was who do you believe? [ laughter ] >> bill: peter the other thing
dick cheney over edwards, and lloyd benson over dan quayle. something about the vice presidential debate is a little better for the older guy. and i thought biden clearly had home court advantage. he was in command. had facts and stories. you want to talk about reagan and tip o'neill, i was there. >> bill: yeah, and he said martha, look i wanted to straighten you out too. i was in the oval office with the joint chiefs when they said this is what they wanted. i was there with the joint...
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. >> lloyd benson and dan quayle, 2002008. >> jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. (cheer (cheers) >> that was a fierce moment. >> that was a strong zinger and perhaps the most memorable moment from the vice-presidential debate and often, a vice-presidential debate is about assurance. can the second person on the ticket become president and step in if need be. you've got to remember in 1988 who was president? ronald reagan. lloyd benson had been in the senate 17 years, dan quayle, 7 years, that was about gravitas and the senior statesman versus the young new guy upstart. this time it's different because barack obama was in his 40's when he became president and even though joe biden is three decades older than paul ryan, that issue is muted a little bit. >> clayton: interestingly in 2008. then candidate biden, vice-presidential nominee at the time had a walk a delicate balance with sarah palin. he had to be respectful of her on the stage and strong a lot of people thought it was a tie at theened of the debate wherever you stand on it
. >> lloyd benson and dan quayle, 2002008. >> jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. (cheer (cheers) >> that was a fierce moment. >> that was a strong zinger and perhaps the most memorable moment from the vice-presidential debate and often, a vice-presidential debate is about assurance. can the second person on the ticket become president and step in if need be. you've got to remember in 1988 who was president? ronald reagan. lloyd benson had...
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. >> remember what lloyd benson said about -- >> yes. >> dan quayle. >> that famous line. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> i just reread about all the debates, they prepared that line in advance because dan quayle made that comment over and over again. both are going in with prescripted lines, having watch ed what the other candidates are saying. >> it's worth noting that mitt romney has been debating the past two years with his opponents. president obama has been practicing, no doubt. it's harder for a president to do, because he's busier and doesn't like being addressed in sortative challenging way. >> this president likes to practice in a stealth way. >> that's true. i'm sure he will be prepared. >> james fallows, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >>> american airlines is facing new trouble this morning, faa is investigating at least two incidents where a row of passenger seats came loose in mid flight. mark strassmann is here with the story. >> inspectors look for signs of more problems. for now it doesn't
. >> remember what lloyd benson said about -- >> yes. >> dan quayle. >> that famous line. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> i just reread about all the debates, they prepared that line in advance because dan quayle made that comment over and over again. both are going in with prescripted lines, having watch ed what the other candidates are saying. >> it's worth noting that mitt romney has been...
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. >> he doesn't quite have the same gravity of a guy like lloyd benson. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> coming up. mitt romney wants to try to balance the budget by getting rid of big bid. which will save 1, 100th of 1% of the federal budget. and next it is easy to have a gutt reaction about who won the debate. but being right about that, that is not so easy. that is next. >>> the media covers presidential debates as if they are sporting events and that is a big, big mistake. it makes pundits believe it is easy to tell who wins debates. what mitt romney did not win last night is next in the rewrite. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than a witch in a broom factory. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids,
. >> he doesn't quite have the same gravity of a guy like lloyd benson. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> coming up. mitt romney wants to try to balance the budget by getting rid of big bid. which will save 1, 100th of 1% of the federal budget. and next it is easy to have a gutt reaction about who won the debate. but being right about that, that is not so easy. that is next. >>> the media covers presidential debates as if they are sporting events and that is a...
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. >> he doesn't quite have the same gravity of a guy like lloyd benson. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> coming up. mitt romney wants to try to balance the budget by getting rid of big bid. which will save 1, 100th of 1% of the federal budget. and next it is easy to have a gutt reaction about who won the debate. but being right about that, that is not so easy. that is next. your ford dealer. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer. who has the low price tire guarantee... affording peace of mind to anyone who might be in the market for a new set of tires? your ford dealer. i'm beginning to sense a pattern. buy four select tires, get a $60 rebate. use the ford service credit credit card, get $60 more. that's up to $120. where did you get that sweater vest? your ford dealer. with a vial and syringe. with a vial and syringe. me, explaining what i was doing at breakfast. and me discovering novolog mix 70/30 flexpen. flexpen is pre-filled with your pre-mix insulin. dial the exact dose. inject by pushing a button. no vials, syringe
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benson, it was in the vice presidential campaign where he said to dan quayle, i knew jack kennedy, and you're no jack kennedy. that line was said by the losing side of that campaign. no one from benson world jumped forward to say hey, i wrote that for him. there was none of that. there was no leaking like that. >> you know, look. the best big knockout punches, that wasn't really a knockout punch. dan quayle ended up punching himself in the face. a great line that comes out in the debate are the ones that seem to be unscripted that no one has tell graphed in advance. the polls have been tightening. romney is going to get some elevation just by standing on stage next to barack obama. if he ends up putting a performance that is not zinger filled, that contrasts with our expectations and ends up looking pretty good uch there, there will be a lot of people who say he won the debate. >> mitt romney goes into the debate at a 52% favorability rating with voters. mitt romney at a 42% favorability rating. i don't know how he makes that up in 90 minutes of a debate. >> thank you for joining us. >
benson, it was in the vice presidential campaign where he said to dan quayle, i knew jack kennedy, and you're no jack kennedy. that line was said by the losing side of that campaign. no one from benson world jumped forward to say hey, i wrote that for him. there was none of that. there was no leaking like that. >> you know, look. the best big knockout punches, that wasn't really a knockout punch. dan quayle ended up punching himself in the face. a great line that comes out in the debate...
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. >> remember what lloyd benson said about dan quayle and president kennedy. >> yes, that was the famous line, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> in jim lair's book "turning point," he makes the case that they prepared that line in advance because dan quayle had made that comment over and over again. >> the comparison with president clinton. >> so both those campaigns are going in with prescripted lines having watched what the other candidates are saying. >> it's worth noting that mitt romney has been debating over the past two years with his opponents. president obama has been practicing, no doubt, but it's harder for a president to do because he's busier and doesn't like being addressed in a challenging way. >> but as michael lewis pointed out, this president likes to practice in a stealth way. >> yes, it's true. i'm sure he's going to be prepared. >> james fallows, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >>> american airlines is facing new trouble. the faa is investigating two incidents where a row of passenger seats came loose inned my flight. mark stra
. >> remember what lloyd benson said about dan quayle and president kennedy. >> yes, that was the famous line, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> in jim lair's book "turning point," he makes the case that they prepared that line in advance because dan quayle had made that comment over and over again. >> the comparison with president clinton. >> so both those campaigns are going in with prescripted lines having watched...